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Anti-Shale Gas Activists "Study It To Death" Strategy Threatens Natural Gas Development

Science 2.0 -- New York Governor Andrew Cuomo’s rumored retreat on fracking shows just how powerful an anti-science, fear-based campaign can be. If reports are correct, Cuomo will restrict fracking to a few counties in which gas shale is far below the water table, and allow a veto to localities that are dominated by anti-fracking radicals. It's all in the name of ensuring the safety of drinking water, he purportedly believes--or protecting his political base.

Cuomo's decision validates the anti-frackers’ “study it to death” strategy. Their goal is to create the illusion that horizontal fracturing pollutes drinking water — even though the Environmental Protection Agency has publicly (if reluctantly) acknowledged that there is not one documented case of such pollution.

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Submitted Jun 17, 2012 By: drpepperTX

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1006 Champion Author Birmingham Posts:1,105 Points:1,351,590 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2012 7:22:20 PM Ignore 1006 Report Abuse I must agree with you 100
radstoy Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:16,459 Points:3,220,705 Joined:Feb 2003	Message Posted: Jun 27, 2012 7:24:57 AM Ignore radstoy Report Abuse anti capitalisn/communists are at work in the environmental movement.
1006 Champion Author Birmingham Posts:1,105 Points:1,351,590 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jun 27, 2012 5:42:45 AM Ignore 1006 Report Abuse agree, sounds bites are not sufficient info but we rely way too much on them because the nets know they can only keep our attention that long. by the way, I support fracking because it is safe and that is proven.
drpepperTX Champion Author Texas Posts:8,924 Points:748,960 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 11:49:02 AM Ignore drpepperTX Report Abuse There is a huge amount of deceiving information spouted out to the public about hydraulic fracturing, a decades-old technology. Those who spread this misinformation are mostly preying on the public's fears, with an ultimate goal of forcing state governments to succumb to that fear and prevent or even ban hydraulic fracturing. We need to make sure that the discussion is productive, and that any rules are legitimately conceived. Fact must be separated from fiction. The most common claim talking point is that hydraulic fracturing contaminates ground water. This is baseless. Have you ever noticed that the critics who make that claim never provide concrete evidence? The reason for their omission? It is obvious why. After being used more than 1.2 million times there have been no confirmed cases of hydraulic fracturing contaminating water. None. Never. Ever. As EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson said in April of 2012, "In no case have we made a definitive determination that the fracking process has caused chemicals to enter groundwater." The three "smoking gun" cases that the anti-shale zealots were sinking their teeth into have proven false or based on very poor science. See Pavillion WY, Dimoch, PA, and Parker County, TX. Oh and the "evil Halliburton Loophole" talking point! LOL, what a joke. This is the errant claim born out of the yellow journalism of "gasland", a proven fraudulent film by Josh Fox, that hydraulic fracturing is "exempt" from the Safe Drinking Water Act, thanks to an energy bill passed by Congress in 2005. The truth??? SDWA has been the law of the land for nearly 40 years, and at no point has it ever covered hydraulic fracturing. Why??? States already tightly and effectively regulate the process. How can an industry be exempt from something that never covered you in the first place? But you hear this falsehood talking point most every time the subject comes up. It is important to rely on facts and science, not fear-mongering talking points.
1006 Champion Author Birmingham Posts:1,105 Points:1,351,590 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jun 21, 2012 3:45:22 AM Ignore 1006 Report Abuse what you say pep
drpepperTX Champion Author Texas Posts:8,924 Points:748,960 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jun 20, 2012 6:52:58 AM Ignore drpepperTX Report Abuse LOL, thanks for reading this article cake!
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,580 Points:1,605,520 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jun 20, 2012 5:24:39 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse lots of hot air...
LetemEatCake Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:5,595 Points:1,201,110 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jun 18, 2012 7:42:17 PM Ignore LetemEatCake Report Abuse WOW! Science2.0 is so mainstream it has scintillating articles such as: "That Squid On Your Plate Could Inseminate Your Mouth"....PLEEZ! Just what I need is a pregnant mouth! Lets back up and realize that Big Oil/Gas has their opinions (tentacles) in this article. Sorry, squid...tentacles no pun intended.
sparky808 Champion Author Honolulu Posts:2,976 Points:594,585 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Jun 18, 2012 10:25:12 AM Ignore sparky808 Report Abuse Thank you for posting.
drpepperTX Champion Author Texas Posts:8,924 Points:748,960 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jun 18, 2012 6:52:37 AM Ignore drpepperTX Report Abuse "How much money will be wasted studying shale-gas extraction, which has been evaluated for years and shown to be safe? The fracking revolution has fueled an energy boom, saving billions of dollars and boosting the fragile economy. New York, in particular, is just plain lucky that we have all these energy reserves. But that innovation and economic advantage can be frittered away if ideologues’ scare campaigns prevail. ------------------------------------ Pretty well sums up the Eco-Imperialist agenda. Pay no attention to the facts and the science folks! Just hear us cuz we are telling you to be skeered! Never mind about the sticky little fact that there has never been any proven case of their wild claims.
Blismo Champion Author Arizona Posts:2,119 Points:400,235 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Jun 18, 2012 2:11:42 AM Ignore Blismo Report Abuse nice
southrob Champion Author Tucson Posts:3,585 Points:685,150 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Jun 17, 2012 10:35:13 PM Ignore southrob Report Abuse and economy will suffer for the "studies"
dancygreen Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:2,048 Points:481,860 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Jun 17, 2012 9:05:02 PM Ignore dancygreen Report Abuse Oh yeah, I'd trust the EPA. Reality: neither side is 100% sure what damage is being caused, or to what extent- but common sense tells you some is being done.
unclemattie Veteran Author Atlanta Posts:289 Points:456,155 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Jun 17, 2012 8:59:13 PM Ignore unclemattie Report Abuse Just do it already. Stop spending to test!
Dodge_Me Champion Author Atlanta Posts:2,214 Points:553,230 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Jun 17, 2012 8:58:46 PM Ignore Dodge_Me Report Abuse Okay
egd Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:8,077 Points:2,116,250 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Jun 17, 2012 8:55:04 PM Ignore egd Report Abuse good luck
teafortwo Champion Author Washington Posts:22,047 Points:1,381,030 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Jun 17, 2012 8:52:16 PM Ignore teafortwo Report Abuse Another opinion pro industry piece of propaganda. Brought to you courtesy of BIG OIL & GAS trolls and shills ... :0\
big_mac64 Champion Author Tennessee Posts:10,593 Points:1,485,590 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Jun 17, 2012 8:51:25 PM Ignore big_mac64 Report Abuse this is a nightmare topic...it's like the transformers in your front yard that they say don't hurt you, but then studies that show that it does somehow disappear.
Jmac2008 Champion Author Missouri Posts:2,254 Points:877,140 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Jun 17, 2012 8:51:06 PM Ignore Jmac2008 Report Abuse ok
libertyut Champion Author Utah Posts:1,337 Points:288,660 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jun 17, 2012 8:50:37 PM Ignore libertyut Report Abuse send Obama home in November.
filcut Champion Author Anchorage Posts:1,169 Points:1,351,685 Joined:Jun 2005	Message Posted: Jun 17, 2012 8:46:04 PM Ignore filcut Report Abuse I have yet to read a study whose conclusion was, in part, that more studies were needed. It's also called job security for researchers.
granitestater Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:8,800 Points:1,426,750 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jun 17, 2012 8:44:17 PM Ignore granitestater Report Abuse We don't need New York gas. Yet.
PizzaMon Champion Author Philadelphia Posts:5,134 Points:1,858,805 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Jun 17, 2012 8:43:07 PM Ignore PizzaMon Report Abuse Another political football.
s6sputnik Champion Author Austin Posts:6,209 Points:1,304,395 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Jun 17, 2012 8:39:40 PM Ignore s6sputnik Report Abuse Study!!
RevDrCBJ Veteran Author Ann Arbor Posts:363 Points:187,010 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Jun 17, 2012 8:36:42 PM Ignore RevDrCBJ Report Abuse There is a method to this. I do still wonder about drinking water.
kosciak Champion Author Hartford Posts:1,106 Points:531,275 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Jun 17, 2012 8:34:14 PM Ignore kosciak Report Abuse Ok
gilfarm Champion Author Alabama Posts:6,776 Points:1,944,840 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jun 17, 2012 8:33:23 PM Ignore gilfarm Report Abuse Very true!
hauler43 Champion Author Oakland Posts:8,158 Points:2,597,750 Joined:Sep 2003	Message Posted: Jun 17, 2012 8:33:06 PM Ignore hauler43 Report Abuse This a new area, unfortunately $$$$$ rule and not commonsense sometimes
drz614 Champion Author Harrisburg Posts:2,279 Points:594,370 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Jun 17, 2012 8:31:22 PM Ignore drz614 Report Abuse ok
LCSTEELERBOB Champion Author Gary Posts:2,961 Points:720,030 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jun 17, 2012 8:28:57 PM Ignore LCSTEELERBOB Report Abuse whats next
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,776 Points:409,865 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jun 17, 2012 8:28:17 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse What are you talking about, clermont40miles? Are we burning baby seals now? The way I see it, the fracking debate is very similar to the nuclear debate. Both promise cheap, clean energy but, boy do they ignore the GIANT downside if a mishap occurs! Everyone needs to ask themselves this question. Would you risk your life and the lives of your children just for cheaper energy? And if you would do that, then how much cheaper? Would you do it to save $100 per year? $500 per year? $1,000 per year? In the end, how much is your life worth?
canfranchiser Veteran Author Riverside Posts:417 Points:392,515 Joined:Sep 2010	Message Posted: Jun 17, 2012 8:24:48 PM Ignore canfranchiser Report Abuse cut back on natural gas drilling, shut down the coal plants, no off shore drilling. yup, i'm sure that will work.
dabbadu Champion Author New York Posts:1,056 Points:657,255 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Jun 17, 2012 8:22:55 PM Ignore dabbadu Report Abuse Is this a political bash, or what?
DEG Champion Author Las Vegas Posts:17,605 Points:3,491,680 Joined:Jul 2003	Message Posted: Jun 17, 2012 8:20:49 PM Ignore DEG Report Abuse Old article.
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,776 Points:409,865 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jun 17, 2012 8:20:39 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse Can you prove that we have the technology to drill without ill effects, Goody2317? An even better question is "If the technology exists, will the oil and gas industry actually use it or just go the cheap way and roll the dice that nothing bad will happen?" Which choice makes more economic sense to them?
sydb7 Champion Author Atlanta Posts:3,537 Points:1,916,505 Joined:Mar 2003	Message Posted: Jun 17, 2012 8:19:52 PM Ignore sydb7 Report Abuse ok. Cheap natural gas vs pollution!
justmedc Veteran Author Michigan Posts:382 Points:174,045 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jun 17, 2012 8:17:51 PM Ignore justmedc Report Abuse so do the protesters walk, ride a bike or drive?
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,776 Points:409,865 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jun 17, 2012 8:17:46 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse You're right about that, Focus2. They don't have to drill on your land in order to get the oil and gas underneath it. It's just like in the movie, "There Will Be Blood". It's all about the "DRAINAGE!!!" As Daniel Day Lewis said, "I drink your milkshake. I drink it up!" Also remember that just because they don't drill directly on your land doesn't mean that your well water won't be affected.
Catfish93001 Champion Author Ventura Posts:1,200 Points:247,205 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Jun 17, 2012 8:15:44 PM Ignore Catfish93001 Report Abuse Everyone should see Gasland.
OilBGone Champion Author New Jersey Posts:9,053 Points:1,710,655 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jun 17, 2012 8:15:40 PM Ignore OilBGone Report Abuse "The typical LIBERAL in NEW YORK ARE STUPID." Classic response.
DandyDapple All-Star Author North Dakota Posts:715 Points:307,820 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jun 17, 2012 8:15:31 PM Ignore DandyDapple Report Abuse Hmmmmm ...
Goody2317 All-Star Author Wilmington Posts:680 Points:617,155 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Jun 17, 2012 8:14:03 PM Ignore Goody2317 Report Abuse These eco-nuts have kept this country from being what it once was. We have the technology to do this without hurting anything, but they still would rather us go back to the stone ages since they will constantly harp over and over how bad something will be.
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,776 Points:409,865 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jun 17, 2012 8:13:57 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse More people live in the city than live in the country, kusanagisama. If you want to stay in the country, that's fine but don't expect the majority of Americans to accommodate your rural lifestyle.
Focus2 Champion Author Illinois Posts:7,888 Points:1,917,360 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Jun 17, 2012 8:13:41 PM Ignore Focus2 Report Abuse I have gotten letters from a Colorado based energy group that wants to lease my farm acres for oil and gas fracking. I didn't answer them, and don't know what to make of it all yet.They aren't just going after mine but everyone else farm in Southern Illinois! Just because they lease doesn't mean they will drill or drill on your land. They could drill on another property and still get to your oil and gas.
DutchTreatMI Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:3,295 Points:747,915 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Jun 17, 2012 8:05:58 PM Ignore DutchTreatMI Report Abuse There is good and bad in everything; just a matter of doing things as safe as possible.
wayoung56 Champion Author Alabama Posts:2,780 Points:814,335 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Jun 17, 2012 8:05:04 PM Ignore wayoung56 Report Abuse Interesting article...
abcdMA Champion Author Worcester Posts:7,902 Points:1,570,980 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jun 17, 2012 8:04:22 PM Ignore abcdMA Report Abuse we need to use our domestic natural gas to become energy independent
blazerbob91 Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:6,125 Points:1,879,670 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jun 17, 2012 8:02:48 PM Ignore blazerbob91 Report Abuse Ask the pople near fracking wells.
kusanagisama All-Star Author Texas Posts:708 Points:191,525 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Jun 17, 2012 8:00:53 PM Ignore kusanagisama Report Abuse Why don't we just shut down every single bit of energy production in this country and then let the green wackos see what happens then. Most of these green idiots are city folk who know nothing about how to grow and produce food, so when we can't get any food in from the countryside, they'll starve. [Edited by: kusanagisama at 6/17/2012 11:03:01 PM EST]
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